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Annette

Any minister, priest or religious leader who uses his postion to take advantage of people should be disposed. It is sad that this sickness is in some supposedly spiritual leaders.

sHERRIE

Are you happy now that you have made victims of john's daughters, wife, Mother and the congregation of St.John's???? Wow what a trade off!!!! Such forgiveness like I've never seen.

dan

Just to be clear, my name is Dan but I'm not Dan Noyes.

sHERRIE, what is your point? are you sympathizing (sp?) with Bennison's kin, criticizing the reporting of facts, defending Bennison, or feeling sorry for yourself and the parish?

here is my take:
As painful as it is, the kids and wife, if they didn't know this stuff, were decieved. That is the victimization. If they knew, they're not shocked and thus not 'victims'.

St. John's will be a healthier place because of this. Moreover, why not shine the light on the bishops who knew the facts that have just come out, and left the guy in place? On TV he was accused of forcing himself on someone sexually. The technicall term for that is rape. He had a threesome with his wife and a young teenager. The technical terms for that are molestation and, if you're christian, adultry.

The women who were sexually victimized are the victims. Not you, not his kids, not the parish, not the guy who delivered his mail and got a nice tip at xmas and not the guy who detailed his porsche after his sermons.

please.

Christine Cipperly

As a former Episcopalian, now a Roman Catholic, I am snsitive to the difference in the way this story was covered. There are few, if any details about exactly what he did. His misconduct is apparently not going to be widely or nationally covered, the bishop is not going to be criticized and apparenatly no one is going to get one million dollars.
I don't have any opiion about his guilt or innocence and am not judging him, but rather the media and the rest of our society which is so anti-roman catholic.

A Saint John's Parishioner

I am a current and active parishioner at Saint John's Episcopal Church in Clayton. I have been a parishioner for many years, dating back before the issues discussed in this article became public knowledge to the parish membership back in 1993. I have posted my understanding of the events and my sentiments elsewhere on this site, but some of it bears repeating since Dan Noyes and channel 7 has seen fit to pull open this still bleeding wound again.

The facts, as I understand them, are that Fr. John Bennison entered into a romantic and sexual relationship with an underage girl 30 years ago when he was a young man first entering into the priesthood. That was a terribly wrong thing to do. We all agree on that.

Fr. John resigned from the pristhood as a result of this coming to light back then. The underage girl and her family decided, for their own personal, and I am sure very legitimate reasons, not to pursue the matter further.

Fr. John spent a number of years reflecting on his life and ministry and rededicated himself to his priestly ministry and vows. He applied for readmission to the priesthood, went through the appropriate steps in the Diocese of LA at the time and was readmitted. As I understand it, since he was living in the Bay area at the time, he was tranferred to the Diocese of California. Fr. John has served in the Diocese of California for 24 years since then. He brought Saint John's "mission" out of oblivion into a healthy, thriving, loving parish. His record of service for these 24 years has been exemplary and without blemish, as verified by Bishop Swing on numerous occasions.

Along comes Joey Piscatelli and the "SNAP" organization looking for a target. They decide on a smear campaign. They drag the family members of this girl from 30 years ago back into the fray. We all start hearing things that make Fr. John sound like a pedophile and threat to his parish and community. What a complete crock of fabricated nonsense. Joey looks to his old buddy Dan Noyes for support and a TV broadcast outlet for his smear campaign. Dan gladly complies - nothing like some "sordid" little story to attract the Jerry Springer crowd, eh Dan?

It works. All anyone hears or cares about is what happened 30 years ago. No one cares about who Fr. John is today and how he has nurtured and cared for his parishioners for 24 years in exemplary fashion since being readmitted to the pristhood. The Diocese leadership finds themselves backed into a corner at a very inopportune time. A time carefully selected by "SNAP" maybe?

It is a sad day for Saint John's Clayton. We have had our beloved rector ripped from us by a Bishop in Los Angeles who knows little about him or his ministry here in Clayton and apparently cares about our parish even less. Will we survive? Of course. Are we better off for it? Of course not.

It is a sad day for the Episcopal Church, as it has demonstrated that there is only redemption if it is seen as being politically convenient. But, this is one less controversial topic on the Episcopal Convention floor this week - hmm "this week" - what a coincidence.

It is a sad day for ABC - Channel 7 news as they have become part of the leading pack of a lynch mob without knowing who the man involved actually is today - or how he dedicated himself to his second chance at his ministry. That just doesn't make good headlines.

But there is some good news. We won't have to tolerate Joey Piscatelli and his crew marching around the sidewalk in front of our church trying to intimidate parishioners anymore.

And we won't have to hear about Dan Noyes and ABC Channel 7 doing their Jerry Springer imitation at the expense of our rector and parish.

I will be forever thankful for knowing Fr. John Bennison and being blessed with his spiritual leadership at Saint John's all these years. I'm confident I speak for 99% of the currently active parishioners at Saint John's when I say we all love Father John Bennison and wish him, his wife and daughters well, as they put their lives back on track. I hope Fr. John, his wife and daughters realize that the tears, hugs and love our full to bursting church shared together this past Sunday morning continues on in our hearts. Fr. John Bennison still has much to offer the Christian community. I hope he is able to find a way to continue the path he has followed for the past 24 years in a meaningful and rewarding way.

Fr. John Bennison is a priest forever. Nothing will change that.

Another Parishioner

A Saint John's Parishioner -

Well said. In fact there are only 2 that do not feel the way you and I do. Thank you for saying it as it is. SNAP does not heal, it hurts. Noyes seems to have a link with SNAP and Joey Piscatelli because he latches to him like a fly to...

This is not about victim's rights, not about their hurt. This is about a witchhunt by a guy who may turn out to be as deviant as those he attacks - we'll see how his lawsuit progresses. Maybe Noyes will cover that. And it is about Joey's lies because no one wants to stand up and be challenged by his nasty group.

I urge everyone who feels as us Parishioners to post everywhere and be vocal. It's time to drown out the one-sided babble.

dan

SJ Parishoner and Another Parishoner:

People show up on these blogs and make indefensible statements like 99% love him" or "the rape was consensual". You hurt Bennison's victims by saying or defending like that.

One of you said Bennison is not a pedophile. He admitted to sex with a young teen. He was twice her age. Read the criminal statute and read the archived reports.

You want to believe he is loved by all. Check your fellow parishoner's letter on this site or those of his victims who spoke out when asked. You minimize their pain by defending this man.

You direct your anger in part at a reporter who investigated and reported facts. Bennison's victims on TV described forcible rape and a threesome with a teenager. He apparently bought an abortion. Bennison created this news.

You accuse the snap leader of lying and conducting a witchhunt. Spare us. He said the guy was a pervert. Guess what, he is right.

The facts say that Bennision is a predator, and the state of the art in psychology says predators are dangerous their whole lives. Remember Kenneth Parnell, the Berkely molestor who was released from jail at the age of 72? He tried to buy a four year for sex when he was 73. John has victimized countless people. He probably still is dangerous.

Moreover, John lied to everyone all along. That in and of itself is a red flag. Its terribly dangerous to trust he has 'changed'. Why take the risk with a kid or vulnerable adult? He finds his victims through the church, so if you want to attempt to ensure a safe church he can't stay there.

You insult Joe (and all sex abuse victims) with the deviant crack, comparing him to Bennison.
Why would you say something so hurtful about another person? John is devient. The facts suppor that reality. Joe is outspoken. One is illegal, the other is a civil right. John victimizes people and Joe strives to protect kids. I'm on Joe's side.

Your vociferous defense and adoration of a serial predator can (and will) intimidate other Bennison victims (adults or children). What if there is a young girl from St. John's right now who is aching to speak up? SNAP's courage supports her, but your words scare her. Maybe she is a neighbor of yours or a girl in the sunday school you teach. Would your rather she remain silent so John keeps preaching or would you rather she begin to heal and Bennison get help?

Instead of throwing stones at the messenger, why not instead embrace the facts about Bennison and implore any possible victims or witnesses to come forward, adults or children? Why not create a safe zone at St. John's? It can't be safe if the predator is in charge.

Despite your viewpoint, this is about victims rights and protecting children. Read the Mother's statement on this website. She and her family were trounced by Bp Swing and others when they attempted to get justice about this issue in 1993.

Recently, some people at the parish attempted to trounce the advocates on the sidewalk these past few weeks as well. Had the advocates not shown up, no one would know the full story about John or the bishops. The advocates are needed. Without that activism, the lies would be continuing as would the possiblity of abuse.

This is not only about Bennsion's crimes, this is about the bishops' conspiracy. They are using people like you, as Bennison and predators like him use the victims they target. Unfortunately, you make it possible for those crimes to continue when you defend the criminal and the system that hid the criminal.

What if another victim came forward because of this outpouring of information? One being abused today. Would you still support Bennison? Would you accuse the victim of lying, witchunting and money grubbing? What if, God forbid, your daugher or son tells you a terrible secret that john bennsion or another religious authority did (or is doing) the unspeakable to him or her? What would that change about this equation for you?

I encourage you to express your support and love for Bennison in private. His predilications are known, however, and so publicly he shouldn't be supported because that support drives victims underground.

In addition, attacking advocates is akin to attacking the truth. (Think Galileo). Saying they are the deviants is hurtful and wrong.

dan

David, you stole The Parishoner's post. Any new thoughts?

A Saint John's Parishioner

Yeah "Dan" - we've seen your postings elsewhere. None of this was about any victims. They did not initiate any of this. And what has happened to Fr. John has not benefited anyone. But it has hurt plenty of folks. It is only about Joey and SNAP and some "sordid" news topic headlines for channel 7.

We've simply made folks aware of Fr. John Bennison's dedicated and exemplary ministry and behavior for the past 24 years here in the Diocese of California at Saint John's Parish. That is what defines who he is today. Not what he did wrong back in the 70's. And certainly not the lies and editorial comments people like Joey and you spread around. It doesn't excuse what went on back then. But what happened back then doesn't define who Fr. John is today either.

But feel free to continue to spew your vile comments. Feel free to attack those of us who actually know Fr. John today. Your comments say more about who you are - than who Fr. John or Saint John's parishioners are. And those comments will not silence us. We know who Fr. John is today. And so should others. And none of what I've said here disrespects the woman who was involved in the relationship with Fr. John 30 years ago, or her family.

Judas

In the end, no matter what is said, they crucified him...

Victor

Dan - responding to your post...

You wrote:

SJ Parishoner and Another Parishoner:

People show up on these blogs and make indefensible statements like 99% love him" or "the rape was consensual". You hurt Bennison's victims by saying or defending like that.

>SOMEONE GETS HURT NO MATTER WHAT IS SAID.

One of you said Bennison is not a pedophile. He admitted to sex with a young teen. He was twice her age. Read the criminal statute and read the archived reports.

>READ THEM - SPLIT A FEW MORE HAIRS

You want to believe he is loved by all. Check your fellow parishoner's letter on this site or those of his victims who spoke out when asked. You minimize their pain by defending this man.

> YES FELLOW PARISHIONER 'S LETTER EXPRESSED HIS VIEW - ONE OF 2 - WOW! HEAVY!

>AND QUIT TALKING ABOUT VICTIMS IN EVERY SENTENCE - THE PARISHIONERS OF ST JOHNS ARE NOW VICTIMS OF SNAP, AS ARE THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF JB. YOUR VICTIMS ARE 30 YEARS AGO. THEY NEED TO GET HELP AND DO SOMETHING USEFUL WITH THE REST OF THEIR LIVES BECAUSE JOEY WILL JUST DRAG THEM DOWN. AT SOME POINT GOD EXPECTS VICTIMS TO RISE BEYOND BEING LOCKED INTO THE CYCLE AND QUIT BLAMING EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING.

You direct your anger in part at a reporter who investigated and reported facts. Bennison's victims on TV described forcible rape and a threesome with a teenager. He apparently bought an abortion. Bennison created this news.

>THE REPORTER SEEMS TO LIKE JOEY AND FOLLOWS HIS MOVES- A SHAME IF JOEY EVER IS DISCOVERED TO BE LESS THAN CLEAN - FACTS THAT WILL EMERGE WITH INVESTIGATION NO DOUBT! NOYES IS A VULTURE. TABLOID JOURNALISM TECHNIQUES. I NOTICED HE CLAIMS CREDIT FOR THE RECENT TURN OF EVENTS - TOO BAD HE WAS BEATEN TO THE STORY BY 3 OTHER MEDIA SOURCES.

>EVERYTHING ON TV IS NOT FACT. AND MANIPULATIVE USE OF WORD CHOICE AND TELLING PEOPLE ON JB'S STREET THAT HE IS A SERIAL PEDOPHILE WITH A "TARGET AGE OF THIRTEEN" IS DISGUSTING. BUT I GUESS YOU THINK NONE OF THAT MATTERS. CAN I COME TO YOUR STREET AND TELL LIES ABOUT YOU?

You accuse the snap leader of lying and conducting a witchhunt. Spare us. He said the guy was a pervert. Guess what, he is right.

>IT TAKES A PERVERT TO KNOW A PERVERT. THE SNAP GUY LIED. HE STILL LIES. FOR A GUY WHO KNOWS LITTLE AND JUST KEEPS REPEATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER, YOU SURE GET SUCKERED INTO IT. NOT A PROBLEM - JOEY'S TRIAL STARTS AND THE TRUTH ABOUT JOEY WILL EMERGE - I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL INVSETIGATIONS GOING ON QUESTIONING THE LEGITIMACY OF HIS CLAIMS.


The facts say that Bennision is a predator, and the state of the art in psychology says predators are dangerous their whole lives. Remember Kenneth Parnell, the Berkely molestor who was released from jail at the age of 72? He tried to buy a four year for sex when he was 73. John has victimized countless people. He probably still is dangerous.

>THE FACTS ARE FOR PEOPLE WITH FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE - THAT MEANS TODAY NOT 30 YEARS AGO. WHAT YOU WROTE ARE NOT FACTS - THEY ARE YOUR OPINIONS.

Moreover, John lied to everyone all along. That in and of itself is a red flag. Its terribly dangerous to trust he has 'changed'. Why take the risk with a kid or vulnerable adult? He finds his victims through the church, so if you want to attempt to ensure a safe church he can't stay there.

> WHATEVER VERDICT YOU THINK - THAT SHOULD BE THE DECISION OF HIS VESTRY AND CONGREGATION, NOT BLOG FOOLS.

You insult Joe (and all sex abuse victims) with the deviant crack, comparing him to Bennison.

> NO, NOT THE VICTIMS, JUST JOEY. VICTIMS ARE BEING EXPLOITED BY JOEY AND SNAP DRAGGING THEM IN. EVEN THE FAMILY DID NOT WANT TO BE DRAGGED IN, BUT OF COURSE THEY ARE HAPPY TO HAVE CLOSURE - WHO CAN BLAME THEM. AND BECAUSE THEY ARE HAPPY, SNAP ACTS LIKE IT WAS A PARTNERSHIP, WHILE THE BROTHER SAYS THAT THEY ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH SNAP. WAIT!!! THE VICTIM IS not AFFILIATED WITH SNAP? THEN WHO IS SNAP REPRESENTING? AN ANGRY EX-WIFE? SHADOW PEOPLE?

Why would you say something so hurtful about another person?

>SAME QUESTION TO YOU?

John is devient. The facts suppor that reality.

>THE FACTS SUPPORT ONLY THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN FED BY JOEY AND DAN NOYES. THE WORD FOR THAT IS IGNORANT!

Joe is outspoken. One is illegal, the other is a civil right.

>AGAIN IGNORANT IN WORD AND THOUGHT.

John victimizes people and Joe strives to protect kids. I'm on Joe's side.

>OF COURSE. TELL YOU WHAT, POST YOUR SOCIAL SEC # AND DR# AND I'LL RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK ON YOU AND SEE WHETHER YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT.

JOE PROTECTS NO ONE - NO ONE WANTS HIS PROTECTION. HE EVEN LOOKS DUBIOUS IN PERSON. BUT OF COURSE THAT IS JUST MY OPINION!

Your vociferous (WOW A REALLY BIG WORD - I'M IMPRESSED) defense and adoration (OPINION AGAIN)of a serial (OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR, THE IGNORANT BLOGGER IS MAKING UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS) predator can (and will) intimidate other Bennison victims (adults or children). What if there is a young girl from St. John's right now who is aching to speak up?

>IN YOUR DREAMS! YOU SHOULD SEE THE SUPPORT - IT'D MAKE YOUR HEAD SPIN.

SNAP's courage supports her, but your words scare her.

>SNAP SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYONE - WHAT A MOTTLED LOOKING BUNCH OF MISFITS STANDING THERE LIKE A SCENE FROM AUSTIN POWERS' POOR COUSINS. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM DID NOT EVEN KNOW WHY THEY WERE THERE!!!!)

Maybe she is a neighbor of yours or a girl in the sunday school you teach.

>HUH?? GOD YOU ARE GRASPING!

Would your rather she remain silent so John keeps preaching or would you rather she begin to heal and Bennison get help?

>WOW, WHAT A LOT OF MINDLESS GIBBERISH. MAYBE YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND NO ONE IS THERE? MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE AND FIGURE OUT THAT THE TRUTH IS NEVER WHAT IT SEEMS. MAYBE YOU HAVE A SECRET!!!! MAYBE THIS IS A DREAM?


Instead of throwing stones at the messenger, why not instead embrace the facts about Bennison and implore any possible victims or witnesses to come forward, adults or children? Why not create a safe zone at St. John's? It can't be safe if the predator is in charge.

>SEE ABOVE RESPONSE. SAY IT A FEW MORE TIMES AND I'LL BELIEVE THAT I AM A VICTIM!

Despite your viewpoint, this is about victims rights and protecting children. Read the Mother's statement on this website. She and her family were trounced by Bp Swing and others when they attempted to get justice about this issue in 1993.

>THE MOTHER AND BROTHER AND SISTER ALL DENOUNCE SNAP TACTICS - THEY ARE JUST HAPPY IT IS OVER.

Recently, some people at the parish attempted to trounce the advocates on the sidewalk these past few weeks as well.

>GET REAL - WITH ALL THE FREAKIN VIDEO CAMERAS THERE IT WAS SNAP ENTERING THE PARISH LOT AND SANCTUARY AND DISRUPTING SERVICES AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. OF COURSE, THEY HAVE MADE THEIR PUBLICITY BY LYING AND SLANDERING AND ACCUSING GOD'S PEOPLE OF MAKING THEM FEEL BAD!

Had the advocates not shown up, no one would know the full story about John or the bishops. The advocates are needed. Without that activism, the lies would be continuing as would the possiblity of abuse.

>THAT'S WHAT HITLER SAID, ALSO!!!!

This is not only about Bennsion's crimes, this is about the bishops' conspiracy.

>WOW - YOU STILL WATCHING X-FILES?

They are using people like you, as Bennison and predators like him use the victims they target.

>HMMMM! I KNEW I SHOULD NOT HAVE DRANK THE RED KOOLAID! I'M BRAINWASHED!! YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET!

Unfortunately, you make it possible for those crimes to continue when you defend the criminal and the system that hid the criminal.

>OUCH - YOU GOT ME!!! I DID NOT KNOW WE'VE MET! I CONFESS! I MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO PRATTLE ON AND ON.

What if another victim came forward because of this outpouring of information?

>YOU ASKED THAT ALREADY. OUTPOURING? IS IT RAINING AGAIN?

One being abused today.

>HUH? YOU ASKING OR TELLING?

Would you still support Bennison? Would you accuse the victim of lying, witchunting and money grubbing? What if, God forbid, your daugher or son tells you a terrible secret that john bennsion or another religious authority did (or is doing) the unspeakable to him or her? What would that change about this equation for you?

>WHAT IF A METEOR FALLS FROM THE SKY AND LANDS ON YOUR HEAD? WOULD THAT BE A MESSAGE FROM GOD?


I encourage you to express your support and love for Bennison in private.

>I ENCOURAGE YOU TO JUST STOP TALKING ALTOGETHER. I HAD TO READ YOUR MINDLESS WRITING, SO YOU GET TO LISTEN TO MY RESPONSE. NO DOUBT YUO WILL GET ALL UPSET AND POST ANOTHER TEDIOUSLY LONG REPLY, BUT HAVE NO FEAR, YOUR FELLOW SIMIANS WILL ALL CARESS YOUR FEATHERS AND MAKE IT ALL BETTER.

His predilications are known, however, and so publicly he shouldn't be supported because that support drives victims underground.

>OF COURSE YOU KNOW HIS "predilications" !!! I'M JUST IMPRESSED YOU CAN SPELL - SOMETIMES!


In addition, attacking advocates is akin to attacking the truth. (Think Galileo). Saying they are the deviants is hurtful and wrong.

>WHAT A STUPID SENTENCE! GALILEO WAS PERSECUTED BY THE TRUTH SEEKERS - THE CHURCH! THEY WERE ADVOCATES AND DEVIANTS BUT BLAMED GAL INSTEAD!

>WELL I HAVE ENJOYED OUR TALK. IT JUST AFFIRMS WHAT MY DAD USED TO SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY STUPID AND MY JOB IN LIFE IS TO FIND THE ONES THAT ARE NOT! GUESS THAT RULES OUT A FRIENDSHIP, EH?

THE FACTS OF THE MATTER ARE SIMPLE. A PRIEST KNOWN TO MANY AS A GOOD MAN IN HIS LATER LIFE HAS RENOUNCED HIS VOWS UNDER PRESSURE FOR A 30 YEAR OLD ACTION HE ADMITTED TO BECAUSE OF A DESPERATE BISHOP TRYING TO COVER HIS SORRY ASS.

THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRIEST OR REMOVED. THE QUESTION IS, HAVING MADE HIM ONE AGAIN 24 YEARS AGO, HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT HIM TO BE A GOOD ONE, NOT HOW CAN YOU WAIT 24 YEARS SO YOU CAN DREDGE IT ALL BACK AGAIN AND FORCE HIM OUT. THAT IS NOT THE WORK OF GOD, BUT RATHER, THE SORRY ASS OF MAN.

JESUS WOULD CRINGE AT THE STUPIDITY THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN HIS NAME. AND FRANKLY, THE BLOG VULTURES SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEIR READINESS TO JUMP ON THE PERSECUTION BANDWAGON, REGARDLESS WHAT THEY THINK BECAUSE I WOULD WAGER THAT VERY FEW WOULD HAVE A CLEAN PAST THAT WAS NOT STAINED WITH LIES, SINS, CORRUPTION OR GREED.

IN THE END, JB WILL SETTLE WITH HIS MAKER ANY DEBTS THAT NEED BE PAID. AS WILL YOU ALL.

TO THOSE PARISH MEMBERS, AS WAS POSTED EARLIER BY SOMEONE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SWAMP ALL THE BLOG SITES WITH YOUR STATEMENTS BECAUSE IF THIS VOLUME OF VERBAL REFUSE COUNTS ENOUGH TO POST ON ABC, IT SHOULD COUNT ENOUGH TO BE POSTED ON ALL THE SITES. IT SHOULD COUNT ENOUGH FOR THE MEDIA OUTLETS TO ASK WHY SO MANY PEOPLE SUPPORT HIM AND MAYBE SEEK OUT THE MESSAGE CHRIST GAVE US INSTEAD OF JOEY'S.

THE TIME FOR SILENCE HAS PASSED. THE PARISH LOST A RECTOR AGAINST OUR WILL BECAUSE THE BISHOP WAS A SPINELESS JUDAS. JOHN MADE THAT PLACE WHAT IT IS. IT'S TIME FOR PEOPLE TO STAND UP FOR HIM AND BE COUNTED.

dan

Victor, I'm laughing out loud. You name call, you attempt to demean, you apparently don't like the way snap dresses and there was something about Hitler in there. Why so hateful? Why buy into something none of us can know(Bennison's whole story)and then defend him as if you do? Loyalty is great but if its blind...

There was a catholic priest named vincent breen who was accused by the families of 7 girls of molestation. He was a beloved pastor. The leaders of the parish called the kids liars and drummed their families out of the church. Your writing reminds me of those reactions. Turns out he had dozens of victims, including a number after these girls were rejected.

So instead of being rude to me, think about the possibility that you've got a blind spot.

This whole thing isn't about me or my spelling or Joe or ABC News. Its about helping make kids safe. Your blind spot doesn't do much for safety and your reaction to all of this says to me that a person victimized by Bennison (or perhaps someone else)won't get support....and god forbid if they look mottled while seeking it.

A decent parishioner

I am a parishioner at St. Johns also. I have been reading the comments by "Victor" , and I would like to say that this person does not represent us at our church. The hateful postings by this person are not representative of our community, nor are they Christian in any sense. The name calling, the judgements, the unforgiveness, is not what St. John's is all about, please believe me.
It was the will of our Lord Jesus Christ that brought about John Bennisons removal, not the Snap persons, or Mr. Noyes.
The hateful postings of the 2 members who claim to represent our parish, are not shared by most of us. We do not judge, we do not hate, we do not condone name calling, and we certainly do not mock the will of Jesus Christ.
I pray that the hate mail ceases, and I pray for the misguided vengeance that these 2 people are lodging against those
people who are merely messengers of information.
Lord God, stop the hate mail, stop these people from judging, for only you are Judge and God, and may this vindictive propaganda cease, and may these misguided souls find forgiveness,
and end the contempt they harbor in their souls. Please end their
unforgiving display of un-Christian behavior, as it hurts us all. Amen.

dan

A Decent Parishoner:

I appreciate the kind words you express.

A Saint John's Parishioner

I'm not inclined to engage in generic name calling. But I am also not inclined to just sit back and listen to people like Dan state generalizations about Fr. John Bennison when it is obvious that he does not know Fr. John at all and has no personal knowledge of any of this. We have known Fr. John for many years. And we stand by our kind, accurate words about who he is today.
Dan tries to compare Fr. John to some serial pedophile he has read about elsewhere. There is no basis for that comparison. SNAP sent messages throughout the internet looking for more "victims" of Fr. John - anything that he may have done inappropriate while serving in his ministry for the past 24 years. Nothing came back. Why is that? Because nothing is there!

I pray for Andy and his sister. I pray for Fr. John and his family. These are all good people. I don't know what to wish for people like Joey Piscatelli. I'll offer some advice to Joey though. Before you get on the stand and testify in your upcoming trial, look up the definition of "truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" before opening your mouth on the stand. You'll find the California court system sets a higher standard for accurate and truthful statements than channel 7 does.

A concerned reader

For those of you who are wondering what the victim of Bennison, and her brother , Andy , said concerning this, here is a direct quote by them posted on Virtuonline:

RE: CALIFORNIA: BISHOP SWING ASKS REV. JOHN BENNISON TO RESIGN
"Speaking for "the mother" (my mom) and "the brother" (me), it is true we were led reluctantly into this bobsled ride, but even my sister told me yesterday that "you need people like Joey" to get things rolling. He and the other unnamed person were responsible for this justice; it has been a big hole in all of our lives all of these years."


Another sad parishioner

It is ironic that some parishioner from our parish at St. John's says that SNAP, and Joey, singled out John Bennison and attacked him in a smear campaign. Now that same parishioner has singled out Joey and SNAP, and are attacking them in a smear campaign, and have added name calling now.
I too, agree that this vengeance by some parishioners is
most unforgiving, and most un-Christian. It is truly a bad example of what we stand for, and what Jesus stands for.
St. Johns does not stand for vengeance and hatred, and name calling as a few are posting. I am ashamed. I do not agree with the postings that judge and condemn Joey, or SNAP, and I too pray that these bitter parishioners stop the hatred, and go on with their lives.

Jesus have mercy upon us for their actions.

Sadder till

Sadder still is that both

Another Sad Parishioner and
A Decent Parishioner
have... THE SAME EMAIL ADDRESS!!!

Trying to convince everyone that the parishioners at St Johns are turning on their own.

Now THAT is sad! Leave the poor people alone, will ya?

A Saint John's Parishioner

And who knows if this person is even a parishioner at Saint John's at all . The fun part of the internet.

By the way - I'm not bitter at all. But why is it ok for bitter accusations to be posted by individuals who have no first hand knowledge of Fr. John, but as soon as a couple of folks stand up to defend Fr. John's ministry for the past 24 years, we are maligned for expressing our thoughts and feelings? My interest is only in getting a few thoughts out here that discuss who Fr. John is today as a counterpoint to those who do not know him at all and would parade in front of our parish and in Fr. John's neighborhood spewing false accusations.

SNAP is what it is - and Joey is who he is - and, Fr. John also is who he is today. It has been a sad experience for us all. In the end, only SNAP achieved their objectives, and Dan Noyes got his "sordid" little story. Everyone else actually personally involved 30 years ago and today - lost.

concerned observer

It seems remarkably unfortunate that people seem convinced that, if someone hasn't done anything untoward in twenty-five years (or anything that anyone has brought to light), the incredibly sinful things he admits to have done in his past should be expunged. While God, in his wisdom and generosity, can forgive anything and while we, as Christians, should likewise learn to forgive, this act of forgiveness does not erase the past. It is probably the fault of the heirarchy in the church that this was not dealt with appropriately twenty-five years ago. Let us be grateful that it can now be brought to a "just" conclusion.

dan

this link is to a story in June 16th's SF Chronicle.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/16/BAGV9JF4TO1.DTL

It talks about the split in the St. John's congregation, and quotes parishoner's on their disappointment in how decieved they felt.

it also mentions a victim of another priest who decided to speak up b/c of this issue and defense of Bennison.

this article debunks the posters to this and other blogs who say that 99% of the parish support Bennison.

It also validates the earlier statements about how defending a predator and leaving him in a place of honor intimidates victims.

for at least one woman, add'l healing is now possible.

Duh-Dan

Ray Zimmerman, as quoted in the article, is the pparishioner who wrote the letter. The other, a 72 year old whose name has not come up before. Wow, 2 people out of over 120 - and the church is still full! Imagine that.

"this article debunks the posters to this and other blogs who say that 99% of the parish support Bennison." No Dan, it debunks your comment.

Besides which, you seem only to have nice words for people who agree with you. A bit biased, I'd say.

dan

duh-dan...remain open to the possiblity that you're wrong. The headline said "congregation split" not "99% are behind Bennison". The people who've posted here, plus those quoted in the article, plus the woman who was abused and spoke about it in the article....less than 99%.

I don't mean to be unkind to you or others. Facts are facts. Its sad for everyone involved, but the greatest losers should not be the victims or vulnerable kids. Bennison is an adult and he can sort out how to move on. However the decision was made, in my opinion is was the right one.

yours,
duh

Drew

It is troubling that many members of the congregation of Saint John’s Church continue to support John Bennison blindly without knowing the full details of his past. Most of you have not read through the horrible details of the church records that were put together by just some of his victims. I think if most of you read them that you would see that he was and is very calculated in what he does. He even drove a Porche back when he was starting his priesthood and supposedly used money given to him for his books of religious study and spent it on a sound system for his car instead. He even is alleged to have raped his first wife in these documents. The other sad facts are the deceits that have been carried out by John and Bishop Swing. Swing had full disclosure of all of the information and had it right there in front of him that John had never been deposed. John also led the congregation at SJ to believe that he is a victim and that he has had an unblemished record the past twenty four years. In all likely hood Johns’ record here at this parish has not been squeaky clean. There may very well be victims here that no one knows of yet because they are ashamed or scared to come forward. It took many of the victims of the cases that we are hearing of now a long time to come forward and many of them still have not. I question what happened to the numerous people who have suddenly stopped coming to the church over the past twenty years who had attended for along time and left with no mention. I wonder if any of them may have been victims. These are some of the types of questions that I would hope my fellow parishioners would consider before continuing to support John. I do also know that some members of the vestry are not in support of Johns’ actions and feel betrayed by him as do numerous members of Saint John’s congregation.
I further think it is foolish to say the past is the past as most men that act in the way that he did are likely to repeat. I think we all feel hert in some way by what has happened but John is the reason this happened not anyone else. He continued to lie to all of us through the end about what really happened all those years ago. With this is the reason why I son't believe we should trust a word that he says as he continues to lie.

dan

Drew. Bennison apparently lies, as does Swing. You said Swing knew he had not been deposed, yet Swing says that his reason for not moving (and letting the LAdiocese do it) is because he thought Bennison had been deposed. At what point do people just throw up their hands and say "enough"? I think its insulting that swing or bennison do that to people and expect them to buy it. It speaks to their arrogance.

Of course John will claim his record is unblemished. He'll be right until another victim comes forth, or, as he defines "blemish". Blemish to him isn't having sex with adults, or not paying his child support. He splits hairs.

His record isn't unblemished, unless all of the victims on TV made the stuff up, including the kinky stuff.

one of these posters (and swing) said he had the support of his vestry. Apparently not 100% if you read the chron. So, more hairsplitting.

I suspect that people are going through a reordering right now. This to some is like a death, and sometimes people stay in denial when they grieve. Those who are outspoken and angry might take longer to come around, and some might never accept reaility. Too bad. Perhaps they'll follow him and form a new church. yikes.

It took tremendous pressure from many sources (victims, advocates, blogs, the press, etc) to force some aspects of the denial off and him out. Now some healing can occur.

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